Comments on: Edwin Jackson gets hung out to dry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: jdt http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133331 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:21:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133331 I am shocked AJ Burnett is not on this list.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133308 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:36:43 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133308 The Yankees and Red Sox are both using 6-man right now although only for a turn or two. It's not uncommon this time of year to give a bit of extra rest all around.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133307 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:36:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133307 @34
Doug B., and others. There is a fair degree of Tony LaRussa venom in the posts here.

Not trying to manipulate opinion at all in BBRef, but why is LaRussa so poorly regarded by intelligent minds on our site while the man-in-the-street consensus is that Tony is a deep-thinking, cerebral, ahead-of-his time manager.

Has his time come and gone? Does a successful manager get arrogant with age? I am not close to his day-to-day decision-making, so some one please enlighten.

As I post, the Cardinals are in a tight one with the Marlins

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133306 Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:27:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133306 @29 @30
Mike L. and Jiffy, aren't the Tampa Bay Rays currently using a (modified) six-man rotation?

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By: Doug B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133276 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:55:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133276 that Bob Forsch game was a RELIEF appearance!

Houston threw 158 pitches in 8 innings that day while Tom Browning tossed only 87 for his 9 inning complete game.

Jim Clancy started and didn't record an out. Of course Bob didn't help him out any as the Reds scored 14 in the FIRST INNING ALONE!

I shake my head at that one. Forsch throws 6 more innings only giving up 3 runs after that 14 run first. That's a trooper.

Of course Juan Agosto needed to come in for the 9th to make the day complete by throwing 2 wild pitches and allowing another run. Browning must have felt like he was reliving a little league game.

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By: Doug B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133267 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:14:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133267 "Google 'doug b idiot':
About 13,200,000 results (0.30 seconds)'

I've been busy! 🙂

I wonder though if a Cards fan realizes how foolish and whining their manager (and Chris Carpenter) sound. We've heard complaints our Brewers don't tuck in their shirts, complaints that the lights aren't fair... and other teams have heard complaints about their mound, or the baseballs are too slick. It goes on and on.

If Carpenter thinks the Brewers are stealing signs... change the signs. Stop looking for excuses. It's straining your team trying to come up with them.

St. Louis is a classic baseball town with a great history. LaRussa should become part of the history. he's always complained about nonsense but as he ages he's becomming even more rediculous.

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By: Toffer http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133265 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 21:02:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133265 @16, 18, and 20

Definitely not coincidental.

"Thirty years ago, Oakland A's pitchers generally finished what they started. In 1980 and '81, Oakland starters, under the direction of hard-nosed manager Billy Martin, combined for an incredible 154 complete games in 271 starts. They paid a price, though, with injuries and shortened careers. And of course it would be unthinkable in today's era of pampered pitchers."

http://articles.latimes.com/2011/jul/18/sports/la-sp-1981-oakland-pitchers-20110719

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By: SocraticGadfly http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133258 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 20:39:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133258 I agree, as a Cards fan, that Tony the Pony needs to retire. The Furcal trade was a make-up for blowing it on getting Theriot and shipping out Brendan "Infield Triple" Ryan because he wasn't a TLR "boy."

The Cards won in 2006 in part because of being an underdog, I think. Look at the A's under TLR. 1988 and 90, huge favorites, and they ... choked. Pressure?

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By: Cheese http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133247 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 19:29:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133247 @17:
Google 'doug b idiot':
About 13,200,000 results (0.30 seconds)

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By: Mike L http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13608/comment-page-1#comment-133238 Thu, 04 Aug 2011 18:40:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13608#comment-133238 Jiffy, the six man rotation seems odd to me as well, especially since I grew up in the era of four man, 38-40 starts per season, with a spot starter/long man. It's probably fair to say that for every CC or Halladay, there is also a Kerry Wood, Bedard, Haren, or a Mark Prior, etc. Genes obviously play a role along with innings pitched. A number of doctors have said that the number of pitches one throws in a game can increase the possibility of injury-as fatigue sets in, mechanics break down. So, Billy Martin's use of his staff in 1980 wasn't just a factor of the five man rotation-it was the number of innings these guys logged per start. Norris averaged more than eight and half innings per start. By contrast, Halladay and Lee averaged about 7.5 last year, and both are below that rate this year. CC is at around 7 innings per start.

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