Comments on: Ervin Santana no-hits Cleveland http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Brendan http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-132742 Tue, 02 Aug 2011 21:53:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-132742 As for shortened no-hitters: Devern Hansack did it on the last day of the season one year, either 2005 or 2006. Don't remember much else about it.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-132065 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 21:03:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-132065 Re #34:

I. Played for a relocated team in both cities, but played for at least one other MLB team in between

Baltimore Orioles and New York Yankees: Tom Hughes, Jack Thoney
Boston Braves and Milwaukee Braves: Johnny Antonelli, Del Crandall, Alvin Dark
Brooklyn Dodgers and Los Angeles Dodgers: Ron Negray
Kansas City Athletics and Oakland Athletics: Bob Johnson, Deron Johnson, Tommie Reynolds, Fred Talbot, Jose Tartabull, John Wyatt
Milwaukee Braves and Atlanta Braves: Joey Jay, Charlie Lau, Claude Raymond, Bob Uecker
Montreal Expos and Washington Nationals: Miguel Batista, Wil Cordero, Matt Stairs
New York Giants and San Francisco Giants: Ozzie Virgil
Philadelphia Athletics and Kansas City Athletics: Eddie Robinson
Seattle Pilots and Milwaukee Brewers: Ron Clark, Mike Ferraro, Larry Haney
St. Louis Browns and Baltimore Orioles: Fritz Dorish, Darrell Johnson, Don Johnson, Fred Marsh, Jim McDonald, Bob Nieman, Lou Sleater, Jim Wilson
Washington Senators (1901-60) and Minnesota Twins: Bill Fischer, Mike Fornieles
Washington Senators (1961-71) and Texas Rangers: Ed Brinkman, Mike Epstein, Darold Knowles

II. Played in the same city for two different franchises that did not exist in consecutive years

Cleveland Spiders and Cleveland Indians: Charlie Hemphill, Jimmy McAleer, Ollie Pickering, Ossee Schrecongost, Cy Young
Detroit Wolverines and Detroit Tigers: Deacon McGuire, Frank Scheibeck, Sam Thompson
Kansas City Athletics and Kansas City Royals: Moe Drabowsky, Aurelio Monteagudo, Ken Sanders, Dave Wickersham
Milwaukee Braves and Milwaukee Brewers: Hank Aaron, Felipe Alou, Phil Roof
New York Giants and New York Mets: Ed Bressoud, Willie Mays
Seattle Pilots and Seattle Mariners: Diego Segui
Washington Senators (1892-99) and Washington Senators (1901-60): John Anderson, Bill Coughlin, Gene DeMontreville, Patsy Donovan, Jack Doyle, Davey Dunkle, Lefty Herring, Mike Heydon, Mal Kittridge, Win Mercer, Jack O’Brien, Kip Selbach, Joe Stanley
Washington Senators (1901-60) and Washington Senators (1961-71): Don Mincher, Camilo Pascual, Pedro Ramos, Johnny Schaive, Roy Sievers, Zoilo Versalles (Rudy Hernandez, Hector Maestri, and Hal Woodeshick played for both franchises in 1960 and 1961)

III. Played for three different franchises (NL-AL-FL) in the same city

Chicago Cubs, White Sox and Feds (Whales): Rollie Zeider and Dutch Zwilling
St. Louis Browns, Cardinals and Feds (Terriers): Doc Crandall

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By: Thomas Court http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131955 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 12:30:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131955 @39

Yeah, that is too bad about Irabu... I always felt that he had great ability. He could strike out major league hitters... and to do that you need good stuff.

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By: nightfly http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131900 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 04:09:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131900 PS... speaking of Expos. RIP Hideki Irabu. Poor guy really caught a lot of abuse. Hell, if you search "Fat Toad" on b-r, it returns his player page.

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By: nightfly http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131894 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 03:34:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131894 Oh, Neil... you hit me where I live with Gary Bettman. Hockey has always been my first love.

In truth, Bettman isn't so much against franchises moving, as he is at losing the inroads he's trying to make into southern markets. He didn't give a tinker's damn about the fanbases of Hartford, Minnesota, Winnipeg, or Quebec City, for example. That two of those markets have now reobtained teams is telling.

But yeah, he basically took over the Coyotes until they could be sold to a guy who would keep them in Arizona. He's also been willfully thwarting Jim Balsille's every attempt to buy a franchise, no matter how dire said team's bottom line might be, just to keep the guy from moving them to a better location.

I'm not sure whether this tenacity is Bettman's saving grace or damning feature - I love that the league's fanbase is growing in places like Carolina, Tampa, Dallas, and Nashville, but Hartford and Minnesota had long-established and loyal fan bases and were gutted for this grand experiment, and the results are still mixed 15 years later. (How many teams have to flee Atlanta?)

Sorry to rant. Bettman's definitely a love him or hate him sort of commish. And this drama influences my opinion on baseball relocation. I have never been happy that the Expos went south, especially to a market that already has the Orioles, and doubly-so when it was done with the active connivance of MLB.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131870 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:44:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131870 @36
JA, it was a complex situation in Montreal in the years leading up to the relocation and cause and effect are difficult to separate. But look how long previously it had been since a ML franchise relocated.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131866 Fri, 29 Jul 2011 00:26:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131866 @35, Neil, buddy! -- The Nationals don't have enough hanging over them?!?

And besides ... Putting aside national pride for a moment, just think of how bad a franchise location Montreal must have been at the time to make D.C. look attractive.

(And before you District denizens and Montreal mavens get on my case: I love both cities; I'm talking only about the unfortunate fact that MLB franchises have struggled there.)

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131827 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:54:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131827 @34
Nice catches, Nightfly.

One hopes that never again will a baseball commissioner tacitly allow a franchise to wither and die so it can be relocated. May the curse of the jilted Expos forever remain on the Nationals! 🙂

At the other extreme, look at how hard Gary Bettman fights to prevent franchises from being relocated.

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By: nightfly http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131818 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 19:24:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131818 Nettles with the Expos was kind of "Namath with the Rams" bad, so it's not surprising you blotted it out. Frankly, I did the same thing. For me the "He was an EXPO?" guy will always be Pete Rose, but a quick browse through their player history reveals some real startlers spending a bit of time at Stade Olympique... Maury Wills, for example.

Also, Miracle Mets stalwarts Ron Swoboda and Donn Clendenon were briefly Expos. Ron Hassey finished his career there. Matt Stairs STARTED his career there, and 18 years later, is back with the franchise in Washington, which might be some sort of record for players who didn't actually relocate with the team in 2005.

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By: Tristram http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/13476/comment-page-1#comment-131795 Thu, 28 Jul 2011 17:50:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=13476#comment-131795 @30 Ed - you are my hero! It was the Pascual Perez game. My memory must have been clouded by Martinez' subsequent perfect game. Pretty impressive outing by Pascual - 74 gamescore and 8 strikeouts in only 5 innings. I have to admit I have no memory of Graig Nettles ever playing for the Expos, let alone me having witnessed one of his 80 games with them.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI198809240.shtml

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