Comments on: Mailbag: Winning 95+ Games and Not Finishing in 1st Place http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: David Gee http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-127152 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 22:13:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-127152 The most games a team has won in the wild card era and not made the playoffs is 93. Done by the Seattle Mariners. In 2002. AND 2003. I, a Mariner fan, shall now light myself on fire.

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By: KJ http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-127011 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 11:08:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-127011 ...and after all that, the Braves lost to the Phillies in the NLCS.

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By: KJ http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-127009 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 10:57:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-127009 @ 25

1993 NL West Race, final game:

It was actually a 4-game series in LA, and the Giants had won the first three games. The Giants had a tough decision for the final game. Either go with fragile-armed starter Bill Swift (21-game winner) on 3 days rest or go with rookie Solomon Torres. The Giants went with Torres, who got lit up by the Dodgers, and chased in the 4th.

The Dodger Starter was Kevin Gross, who ran a complete-game victory giving up one run. The SAME Kevin Gross, journeyman pitcher extraordinaire, who had No-Hit the Giants the year before.

The Braves, meanwhile, closed the season with a 3-game sweep against the expansion Rockies. In fact, the Rockies failed to win ANY of the 12 games they played against the Braves in 1993.

I have been a Giants fan for 35 years, and the 1993 defeat was absolutely exhilarating and crushing.

This whole race would have been eliminated by the existence of the Wild Card in '93.

But, what fun would that have been?

I'm not a fan of the Wild Card.

BTW, Solomon Torres was absolutely destroyed by the season-ending defeat. He bounced around in the majors for a few years, then washed out of baseball. He didn't pitch for 5 years and was coaching in the Pirates organization. While instructing other pitchers, the Pirates realized that he was a better pitcher than the kids he was teaching. He ended up back in the majors in 2002, and was fairly decent middle reliever for 4 or 5 years.

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By: Nash Bruce http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-126995 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:06:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-126995 @4- It would be great, if there were some sort of reward, for regular season success. With how things stand now, just about any team that makes this list, is going to the playoffs, just like the division winner. Looking at the pre-'94 teams, though, is more intense. Some great teams, that just weren't great enough!!

(As I'm sure many of you noticed, since the WC began, only the '99 Reds, made this list, and failed to go to the playoffs......)

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-126969 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 05:17:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-126969 On a tangent ... Have the Red Sox really crossed into the same zone as the Yankees, who are so profitable that only gross mismanagement and/or bad luck with injuries can keep them from contending?

I think the Yankees are still alone in that department, but I could be persuaded otherwise.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-126958 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 03:27:46 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-126958 @33.

"it's been my understanding that '54 CLE boosted their record to an absurd extent at the expense of the weak teams."

How right you are, MR. Here's how "absurd":
- against sub-.500 teams: 89-21, .809
- against .500+ teams: 22-22, .500

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By: Mustachioed Repetition http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-126954 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 03:00:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-126954 Those Indians really lambasted the Orioles & Red Sox, going 39-5 against them.

Yeah, Cleveland did a number on the second division teams that season. Going into the Series vs the Giants they were considered heavy favorites, but perhaps they should not have been. The NL was probably a better league by that point, due to integrating quicker, and CLE hadn't been that great against other good teams.

I don't know if anyone's studied this. Of course, great teams *should* beat weaker teams. But (without looking closer myself) it's been my understanding that '54 CLE boosted their record to an absurd extent at the expense of the weak teams. Given two teams with 100 wins, can one project their postseason success, or reach any other conclusions about their quality, based on their record against the best teams?

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By: birtelcom http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-126952 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 02:20:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-126952 Top four win loss-records in MLB right now are East Coast teams, and the Rays are just a half-game behind for the 5th spot. East/West imbalance replacing AL/NL imbalance?

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By: Devon Young http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-126951 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 02:14:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-126951 @ #8.... Braves won't make it, 'cause of Pittsburgh 😉 haha

@ #13... I had to look it up, 'cause you got me curious. The Yanks went 11-11 against that Cleveland team. Those Indians really lambasted the Orioles & Red Sox, going 39-5 against them. The Yanks had a 30-14 record against those teams. That's a 9 game difference in the Tribe's favor. New York finished the season 8 GB of Cleveland.

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12658/comment-page-1#comment-126950 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 02:12:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12658#comment-126950 In the [1993 closing-day] Sunday day game the Dodgers jumped all over the Giants starting in the 3rd inning. Mike Piazza hit 2 homers, drove in 4 runs. Raul Mondesi and Cory Snyder hit 1 homer each. Eric Karros was 3-4 with 2 RBI's. Dodgers won the game 12-1.

I attended that game too! Mondesi's home run, only the fourth of his career, was an absolute moon shot to left field. One of the longest homers I ever witnessed at Dodger Stadium . . . and that includes several Dave Kingman homers.

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