Comments on: 2011 WAR-Stars http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Thursday Links (7 Jul 11) | Ducksnorts http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-2#comment-127039 Thu, 07 Jul 2011 13:23:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-127039 [...] 2011 WAR-Stars (Baseball-Reference). Chase Headley and Mike Adams have been pretty good this year, but you knew that. [...]

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By: Mustachioed Repetition http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-2#comment-125899 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:36:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125899 I don't think there's generally a need to identify which WAR you are using, since this is B-R. If it's not specified, people should assume it's the one here. But there's certainly no reason why we can't also refer to FG numbers. It can be interesting sometimes to try hashing out why they might have notable differences for certain players.

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By: Mustachioed Repetition http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-2#comment-125898 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:33:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125898 Neil/85, yeah, I think I've been hanging out here since the blog started up.

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By: Mustachioed Repetition http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-2#comment-125897 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:33:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125897 Some people call them fWAR (for Fangraphs) and, I think, rWAR, for Rally, one of the noms de plume of Sean Smith. I think bWAR (for baseball-ref) would be better understood. I think I've probably called it B-R WAR when trying to make a distinction.

And actually, I think the bigger difference in re pitchers' WAR is how they try to remove the effect of fielding from pitcher performance. B-R looks at total runs allowed, and makes an adjustment based on its assessment of team defense. FG just looks at the pitcher's stats which are unaffected by fielding (K, BB, HR). I prefer B-R's version, though both have problems. It looks like CC's DIPS numbers are a little better than Beckett's, plus he has the big IP advantage.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-2#comment-125783 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:13:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125783 But Dean @99 also makes a good point: I have assumed that most people who know about WAR know that there are "competing" formulas. Perhaps I should state explicitly when I am using B-R's WAR formula. Any suggestions for an appropriate shorthand term? "WAR-BR"?

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-2#comment-125779 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 17:01:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125779 @99, Dean -- For one thing, if you're looking at the up-to-date WAR numbers, remember that I posted this before Sabathia's most recent start (7.2 IP, no runs, 13 Ks).

Secondly, as I understand it, the main difference between the WAR formulas used by B-R and by FanGraphs is the expected performance of a replacement player. Since Sabathia has a 32% edge in innings, while Beckett has a big edge in ERA, a small difference in the replacement-player value would be magnified in their respective WAR.

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By: Jason W http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-1#comment-125777 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 16:55:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125777 @94 I will say this, Tim... for all the attention fans lavish over RBI totals, I've wondered why run totals don't garner the same attention.

RBI = run scored because you drove a teammate in.
Run = run scored because a teammate drove you in.

Home runs and freaky things, like a WP with a guy on third, excepted.

Really, they're basically the same stat.

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By: Dean Travers http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-1#comment-125769 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 16:20:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125769 Interesting...fangraphs WAR has Sabathia at 3.9, Beckett at 2.3--I guess it's a subjective formula that should be open to interpretation

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-1#comment-125748 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 14:53:52 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125748 @94 @96
Tim, with respect, I hope you're not serious.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12442/comment-page-1#comment-125746 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 14:52:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12442#comment-125746 @93
Joe, maybe a few Blue Jays batters can suddenly find lower back pain or a stiff neck since they have to face two thirds of that Philadelphia pitching triumvirate today and tomorrow!

@86
To affirm what you are saying, Thomas, I agree that accumulated career WAR cannot get it wrong about the relative greatness of players. However, trying to squeeze too much out of small differences in WAR gets iffy. For example, trying to compare Matt Kemp (5.3, this year) to Jose Bautista (5.5) and argue that one is better doesn't work.

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