Comments on: Bizarro Box-Score Sorcery http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Whiz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-126020 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 20:20:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-126020 I did 3-parameter searches, IP, H and R, and for games with two starting pitchers that matched I eyeballed the BB, SO and ER. So no special secrets, just grunge work. It was something to do while watching baseball games on TV 🙂

As for how many combos, there were 31 IP choices (0 to 10 in third-inning steps), and about 10 H and 10 R choices (for higher values of H and R the number of games peters out, at which point I quit looking), for roughly 3000 different combos. A lot of them had no pairs of pitchers to check, so they go fast (maybe a few seconds each). If there are matching lines with IP > 10, I wouldn't find them.

I also checked my Retrosheet play-by-play database as a check -- that found one that I had looked at but somehow missed the first time. Of course that doesn't help for games before 1950.

It was interesting that 5 of the 7 matching games had 6.2 or 7 IP. I wonder if the IP distribution for starting pitchers peaks there, at least lately.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125895 Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:05:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125895 @61, Whiz -- Would you mind sharing how you performed these searches covering 6 pitching game stats, when the Play Index can only take 4 of those criteria at one time? Did you just find those that matched in 4 stats, and then eyeball them for the last 2 stats?

And did you really check every possible combination? I don't even want to think about how many there are ... but will you come and work with me? 🙂 (And if I ever do get a dollar out of this, you can have half!)

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By: Whiz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125833 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 22:36:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125833 For completeness, here are all the games I found (1919-present) with identical starting pitching lines, IP-H-R-ER-BB-SO. I only checked games with at least 5 IP before, and there were a couple of shorter ones.

1933-06-11(1), BOS@BRO, Fred Frankhouse vs. Sloppy Thurston, 4.1-6-4-4-1-0
1964-06-06, SFG@PHI, Jack Sanford vs. Dennis Bennett, 7-5-2-2-2-4
1968-04-20, ATL@CIN, Pat Jarvis vs. Gerry Arrigo, 7-6-1-1-1-4
1995-08-19, ATL@STL, John Smoltz vs. Donovan Osborne, 3-4-4-4-2-3
2011-06-28, CHA@COL, Gavin Floyd vs. Jason Hammel, 7-6-2-2-2-0

I also found a second game with the same IP-H-R-BB-SO (different ER), so there are two of those:

1961-05-24, WAS@KCA, Tom Sturdivant vs. Jim Archer, 7-6-4-3-2
1974-09-04, SFG@LAD, Mike Caldwell vs. Geoff Zahn, 6.2-7-1-3-4

Pretty rare!

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125554 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 00:22:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125554 Late addendum to the collection of identical pitching lines:

Thursday in Wrigley, Matt Cain went 7 innings on 4 hits, no runs, 1 walk, 6 Ks -- the exact same line as his previous start. And each time, he left with a 1-0 lead, on an unearned run.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN201106250.shtml
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN201106300.shtml

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125553 Sat, 02 Jul 2011 00:15:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125553 @58, Kahuna -- I like to think that game was called not because of darkness, but to preserve that perfect symmetry for all posterity!

BTW ... what were you researching?

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By: Kahuna Tuna http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125483 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 16:50:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125483 A little off topic, but while researching something else at baseballlibrary.com I learned that, in the second game of a doubleheader between Pittsburgh and Brooklyn on August 13, 1910, each team scored eight runs‚ had 13 hits‚ 38 at-bats‚ five strikeouts‚ three walks‚ one hit batter‚ one passed ball‚ 13 assists‚ 27 putouts‚ two errors‚ and used two pitchers. The game wound up being called by darkness.

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By: BSK http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125374 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 05:47:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125374 You guys got it! Sorry for whatever errors were in the original post and using a number that fluctuates on a daily basis AND appears differently. Nice work! Basically, I was intrigued by the guys who, at first glance, appeared statistically similar but had very different WARs or WPAs (originally, I tried to find guys with similar WARs and wildly different WPAs or vice versa, but that was too hard as those numbers generally link up). Konerko, playing 1B in a high offensive era, offered much less bang for his buck than Bench, playing C in a much lesser offensive era. So their similar HR and RBI and OPS+ numbers meant very different things. Fun stuff!

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125360 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 03:09:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125360 Onomateponymous: The mythical half-man, half-aardvark whose name was derived from the sound he made while snuffling out delectable box scores.

(It must be later than I think....)

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By: Brendan Burke http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125354 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 02:40:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125354 @53

Castilla, not Castillo.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12393/comment-page-1#comment-125351 Fri, 01 Jul 2011 02:25:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12393#comment-125351 @50
"You are ... well ... eponymous!"
JA, not to be confused with any Greek mythological figures.

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