Comments on: Brett Gardner Vs. Jacoby Ellsbury http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Aryeh http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123564 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:41:20 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123564 Ellsbury. Not even close. The only player in MLB history to win everyone in America a free taco.

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By: Mustachioed Repetition http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123559 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 22:26:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123559 Here is a fascinating graphic showing Gardner's range in comparison to others, along with some general descriptions about calculating advanced defensive stats.
http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/yankees/post/_/id/18491/gardners-defense-its-a-game-changer

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By: Dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123525 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:59:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123525 @ 70

Conceding Jeter to SS this and next year was hard enough to swallow, but totally agree there is no sense to him leading off a power line-up.
The Yankees are headed for big headaches if they continue to allow fan favorites favors rather than fielding the best team.
The Redsox had no problem sitting their captain and most poular player in Variteck, when they got V-mart.
I think the Orioles have sunk to their 15 year drought because of holding on to, playing and paying guys past their prime.

With Posada, Jeter, A-rod all on the decline, the ever present lurking of a Pettitte comeback, and virtually no farm system, the Yankees are gonna have to eat crow for a few years... and if Mo starts to fail....

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By: Paul E http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123521 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:37:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123521 I guess we'll just have to wait 6-8 years to find out who has the better career...I don't believe AL pitchers are shaking out of abject fear of either guy with a bat in his hand. Both these guys are probably the third best OF'ers on their respective teams.

How Jeter even opened the season at the top of the order must be tied to some BS star system Girardi and the NYY are tied to. At this point in his career, Jeter's swinging with wet newspapers..... Also, Granderson can be a great hitter at times, but is he a better defensive CF than Gardner?

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By: Mike http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123510 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 19:21:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123510 If memory serves me correctly, a former sponsor of the Brett Gardenr page said something like this: "Brett Gardner, what every Red Sox fan wished Jacoby Ellsbury could be". Probably not the exact quote but close. It seems like many Red Sox and Yankee fans overvalue their players.

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By: Fireworks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123501 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 18:45:23 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123501 I'll take Gardner. His team is 4-1 in the postseason with him. Ellsbury's teams are a measly 4-2. Winning is all that counts.

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By: Zachary http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123487 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:54:30 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123487 @48

When I'm talking about the minor leagues, I'm talking about their entire minor league careers. Ellsbury put up excellent numbers at every level while Gardner did not, and strong minor league performance in age-appropriate leagues is a good way to identify All-Star potential. Ellsbury's peak performance has simply been higher. The only year Gardner "beat out" Ellsbury was when Gardner was in his second year of AAA and Ellsbury made a stop in Pawtucket on his way up from AA to the Majors.

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By: Matt http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123475 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 17:23:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123475 I'll take Gardner 9 times out of 10. Gardner has better on base skills, can take a walk, and doesn't need to hit .300 to be valuable. Ellsbury has the same amount of walks in 84 more PA this year, and has .7 less WAR, even though he has 600 more PA.

Ellsbury @ .280 has a 87 OPS+, Gardner @ .277 has a 106 OPS+

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By: Daily Links – The Rain Delayed Edition | Red Sox Hub http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123426 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 15:03:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123426 [...] are similar players. Steve Lombardi at the Baseball Reference blog puts the two outfielders careers next to each other for easy comparison. Take a look and see who you think has had the better career to [...]

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By: Carl http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12157/comment-page-1#comment-123409 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 13:32:28 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12157#comment-123409 btw - Ellsbury and Gardner don't show up in the other's similarity scores. Of course, Ellsbury's scores seem to show a lot of guys who aren't base stealers, which makes me wonder if there is a problem with them.

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