Comments on: Career 150+ IP & ERA Over 6 Since 1901 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123417 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 14:12:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123417 @48
Duke, my post at @46 was not meant as a slight to Juan Samuel. I am old enough to remember his potential well.

As I recall, for pure athleticism, Samuel stood out at his time. I simply meant one should not be surprised by low walk totals from Dominican players, like Griffin, Samuel, Mariano Duncan, etc.

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By: Doug N. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123367 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:50:13 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123367 These are the games, 23 years and 31 days apart. The first game was Clemens MLB debut.

First: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE198405150.shtml
Last: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA200706150.shtml

Franco grounded out to second in both his very first and vary last at-bats against the Rocket.

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By: Dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123362 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:36:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123362 Yeah, but HGH expanded that 23years to look longer.
good catch though.
Amazing.

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By: Doug N. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123360 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:32:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123360 @52.

It was Julio Franco and Roger Clemens.

I don't think it could be longer than 23 years, because that's how long Clemens was around.

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By: Dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123356 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 07:23:06 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123356 @ 50

Remember the story. You got it right from what I remember, but it still baffles me that Ripken, Yount, Trammell, Julio Franco and Spike Owen all qualified as shortstops that year.

A pop quiz (no cheating) one of the above mentioned players, has the longest period between first at bat and last at bat with the same pitcher, who is one of the greats.
Any guesses.
A hint.
It was 25 years apart from their first showdown to their last, and I think the last was interleague,

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By: Dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123349 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:58:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123349 JT,
Just saying, an auspicious start for a guy who turned out pretty bad.

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By: Doug N. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123342 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 06:30:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123342 @46.

Neil,

Alfredo Griffin's 1984 all-star appearance was reported in this blog some time ago, but worth retelling.

The Blue Jays rep at that All-Star game was Damaso Garcia. Like all players at the game, he was provided an expenses-paid trip to the game for a companion. Not having a wife (or, apparently, a girlfriend), Garcia brought Griffin, reportedly his best buddy on the team.

During the pre-game warmups, AL shortstop Allan Trammell somehow injured himself and couldn't go. Whereupon, Garcia volunteered that Griffin was in the ballpark. And, that's how he ended up in the game. Griffin relieved Cal Ripken and played the last 3 innings in the field for the losing AL squad. Don Mattingly pinch-hit for him in the 9th.

Can't tell you if it's a true story, but it at least sounds plausible. Certainly can't imagine how Griffin would have been picked for the game based on his play - he was a 48 OPS+ in 1984.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123335 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:53:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123335 But no one in baseball history has had 20 HRs, 15 3Bs, 35 2Bs & 50 SBs in a season, Samuel averaged that his first 4.

Obviously he belongs in the HOF. Along with Johnny Damon.

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By: Dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123333 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:50:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123333 Neil L.

I don't know how old you are, but Samuel was thought of as a superstar in the making. In his first 4 full seasons, he averaged 20 HRs, 15 3Bs, 35 2Bs & 50 SBs.
But no one in baseball history has had 20 HRs, 15 3Bs, 35 2Bs & 50 SBs in a season, Samuel averaged that his first 4.
He had 70 something steals his rookie year, I think the record until Coleman a year or two later. But the sky was the limit.
Then the Mets got him.
A great comedy, would be alternating archive footage of the Mets trying to play HoJo in center, Piazza at first, Samuel in right, Reyes at second (Matsui's reign) Greg Jefferies in left, Mackey Sasser at first and Todd Hundley in left.
Oh those darn Mets, ya gotta love how they try (& fail).

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By: Dukeofflatbush http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/12152/comment-page-1#comment-123322 Thu, 23 Jun 2011 05:36:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=12152#comment-123322 JT,
... when he was just 'boy-wonder'?

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