Comments on: Longest streaks as PH without getting on base http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6140 gerry Sat, 28 Feb 2009 23:09:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6140 statboy, ZimJim, point taken, but it's a conventional usage, and quite common, else we'd have to say "on base and not by reaching on error or fielder's choice average" instead of "on base average" and the abbreviation OBANBROEOFCA would give us fits. statboy, ZimJim, point taken, but it's a conventional usage, and quite common, else we'd have to say "on base and not by reaching on error or fielder's choice average" instead of "on base average" and the abbreviation OBANBROEOFCA would give us fits.

]]> By: ZimJim http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6139 ZimJim Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:50:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6139 stat boy is right, and some of them even managed to score a run or two in their hitless streak stat boy is right, and some of them even managed to score a run or two in their hitless streak

]]> By: statboy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6138 statboy Sat, 28 Feb 2009 19:03:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6138 The title really shouldn't be "Longest streaks as PH without getting on base" because some of these guys did get on base via an error or fielders choice. The title really shouldn't be "Longest streaks as PH without getting on base" because some of these guys did get on base via an error or fielders choice.

]]> By: Jgeller http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6137 Jgeller Sat, 28 Feb 2009 17:02:07 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6137 The ailing theory might be correct. In 1965 and 1966, the Yankees had a Gold Glove 1B named Joe Pepitone. For 1967 and 1968, the Yankees swapped the aging Mantle and Pepitone, putting Joe in OF and Mantle at 1B. After Mantle retired, Pepitone returned to 1B in 1969 and promptly won another Gold Glove. The ailing theory might be correct. In 1965 and 1966, the Yankees had a Gold Glove 1B named Joe Pepitone. For 1967 and 1968, the Yankees swapped the aging Mantle and Pepitone, putting Joe in OF and Mantle at 1B. After Mantle retired, Pepitone returned to 1B in 1969 and promptly won another Gold Glove.

]]> By: JohnnyTwisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6136 JohnnyTwisto Sat, 28 Feb 2009 15:45:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6136 I think it's both. There does seem to be a pinch-hitter "penalty": Most players do not perform as well as PH as when starting. But on Mantle specifically, I was surprised he PH so many times over that brief period, and I assume he must have usually been ailing in some way that prevented him from playing the field. I think it's both. There does seem to be a pinch-hitter "penalty": Most players do not perform as well as PH as when starting. But on Mantle specifically, I was surprised he PH so many times over that brief period, and I assume he must have usually been ailing in some way that prevented him from playing the field.

]]> By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6135 Raphy Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:12:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6135 JGeller - At that point in his career, if Mantle wasn't playing can we assume that he wasn't 100% healthy? Maybe that contributed to his low numbers. JGeller - At that point in his career, if Mantle wasn't playing can we assume that he wasn't 100% healthy? Maybe that contributed to his low numbers.

]]> By: Jgeller http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6134 Jgeller Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:33:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6134 I guess we can assume Mickey Mantle wasn't so good at riding the bench. The data on his subbing comes starting in 1956, the 6th season into his career. With 104 PA and 86 AB, he was a .221 AVG as a sub. And while you might say it was the end of his career that he was weak at hitting, he went 9-21 subbing in his final two years. I guess we can assume Mickey Mantle wasn't so good at riding the bench. The data on his subbing comes starting in 1956, the 6th season into his career. With 104 PA and 86 AB, he was a .221 AVG as a sub. And while you might say it was the end of his career that he was weak at hitting, he went 9-21 subbing in his final two years.

]]> By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1187/comment-page-1#comment-6129 Raphy Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:07:36 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1187#comment-6129 Andy, You have a list of guys, one named Choo Choo and you focus on the name Sveum? When considering these streaks, I think that it is important to check the dates. It took Sveum 10 years to get those pinch hitting appearances, while it took most of the other guys only 1 or 2. Also, John Rabb's strikeout rates grabbed my attention. For his career Rabb struck out 21 times in 40 AB (53%) as a pinch hitter, but in only 20% (32 of 164)of his other at bats. Andy, You have a list of guys, one named Choo Choo and you focus on the name Sveum?

When considering these streaks, I think that it is important to check the dates. It took Sveum 10 years to get those pinch hitting appearances, while it took most of the other guys only 1 or 2.

Also, John Rabb's strikeout rates grabbed my attention. For his career Rabb struck out 21 times in 40 AB (53%) as a pinch hitter, but in only 20% (32 of 164)of his other at bats.

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