Comments on: 265+ HR Through Age 31 Season http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Timmy p http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-121247 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 17:06:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-121247 Brooks Robinson, 23 seasons, 268 HR, .267/.322/401! That's awesome. Actually those Bmore teams were pretty good during the late '60's and early '70s and I give Earl Weaver credit for coming up with an original plan!

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By: Filme2012 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-121232 Wed, 15 Jun 2011 16:08:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-121232 Filme 2012: Va punem la dispozitie intreaga colectie de filme lansate in anul 2012, filme2012.ro, filme 2012 noi, filme noi 2012, filme lansate in anul 2012, filme 2012 bune.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120960 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:54:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120960 @47, KJ -- I think you and others have read far too much into my statements.

All that I've said on the subject of HOF voting and steroids is that the voters shouldn't be affected by the business interests of the Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum in Cooperstown, N.Y. I didn't express any judgment at all about the players in question.

In particular, I did not say that "the best objective analysis leads to the conclusion" that steroid-tainted players should be kept out. Rather, I said, "IF the best objective analysis leads" them to that conclusion, then that's how the votes should go, and damn the consequences. Big difference.

As for the difficulty of "objective analysis," I agree, and I wish I had said "the most reasonable analysis."

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120958 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:53:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120958 Looked at another way:

1926 is the first season there was a player with 200 HR who would not get inducted. Williams was the 2nd player to ever hit 200 HR.

1958 is the first season there was a player with 300 HR who would not get inducted. Hodges was the 15th player to hit 300.

1985 is the first season there was a player with 400 HR who would not get inducted. Kingman was the 21st player to hit 400.

1999 is the first season there was a player with 500 HR who would not get inducted. McGwire was the 17th player to hit 500.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120956 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:48:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120956 Re "automatic" HOF thresholds: Not long ago I compiled a list of the top HR hitters who had never been inducted. Don't know what became of it, so I'll do it again here.

I'll start this from 1930, since the HR didn't really become a common weapon until about 1920, so career HR totals before then were of little consequence. (I realize that this is before the HOF even opened.)

Cy Williams, 4-time HR champ, retired after 1930 with 251 career HR. This was the highest total not to be inducted until....

1942, when Bob Johnson passed him. Johnson played through 1945 and retired with 288 career HR. This was the highest total not to be inducted until....

1957, when Gil Hodges passed him. Hodges played through 1963 and retired with 370 career HR. This was the highest total not to be inducted until....

1968, when Rocky Colavito passed him. Colavito retired after that season with 374 career HR. This was the highest total not to be inducted until....

1973, when Frank Howard passed him. Howard retired after that season with 382 career HR. This was the highest total not to be inducted until....

1985, when Dave Kingman passed him. Kingman played one more season and retired with 442 career HR. This was the highest total not to be inducted until....

1998, when Mark McGwire passed him. McGwire played through 2001 and retired with 583 HR. This stands as the highest total which has come up for election but has not been inducted. If you assume McGwire would have made it but for steroid concerns, Kingman's total was passed in...

2000, by Jose Canseco. Canseco played one more year and retired with 462. This was the highest total not to be inducted until....

2002, when Fred McGriff passed him. McGriff played through 2004 and retired with 493 HR. This stands as the highest total which has come up for election but has not been inducted for reasons other than steroids.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120949 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 19:20:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120949 The biggest mistake made by the HoF is Wahoo Sam Crawford, it's almost criminal what happened to him.

Um, he is in, you know. And has been for over 50 years. And made it before he died. Considering the backlog the HOF had to work through, and there not being elections every year in those days, on the list of HOF crimes this is roughly equivalent to spitting on the sidewalk.

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By: mosc http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120930 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 18:14:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120930 @64. I can't see them keeping bonds or clemens out, at least not eventually. And when they get in, others will sneak in. I think the steroids era players that will be excluded are mostly guys who are already retired and whose eligibility will come up before bonds/Clemens. Basically we get a couple instances of Rice and Blyleven instead of Palmero and Mcguire.

Larkin and Bagwell will already put big pressure on the hall to be more ambivalent towards the steroid era. I think they'll both get in soon. And if we get Tim Raines or Jack Morris into the hall instead of a Larry Walker or similar, I'm fine with that.

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120922 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 17:24:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120922 @65/ Timmy p Says: "@62 The biggest mistake made by the HoF is Wahoo Sam Crawford ... .... Ron Santo not being in the hall is also a crime. What we see from many sportswriters, and many posters here is a sort of group-think mentality..."

Timmy P - Yes, I should also have included Sam Crawford and Home Run Baker, the two worst dead-ball omissions by the BBWAA in HOF voting. I didn't, because I think they were a slightly different case - they got buried in the huge backlog of the HOF's first 12/15 years of voting, as did other deadball stars, and never gained any traction. Still, it's surprising that a player with 2,964 hits (Crawford) never got 5% of the vote.

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By: Timmy p http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120915 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:57:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120915 @62 The biggest mistake made by the HoF is Wahoo Sam Crawford, it's almost criminal what happened to him. Ron Santo not being in the hall is also a crime. What we see from many sportswriters, and many posters here is a sort of group-think mentality. Brooks Robinson is a good example of the group-think mentality. It just became excepted that he would be in the HoF and Ronnie would not.

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By: DavidS http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11802/comment-page-1#comment-120907 Tue, 14 Jun 2011 16:22:48 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11802#comment-120907 @63: agreed - it's going to be very strange once Bonds/Clemens come on the ballot. The writers can at least twist themselves into making cases against McGwire/Palmeiro (and even Bagwell) but still vote for lesser players. Once you've kept Bonds or Clemens out you've pretty much drawn a line in the sand.

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