Comments on: 2008 non-hitting streaks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Jgeller http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6131 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 17:19:51 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6131 If you do the search with a minimum of 2 PA per game, the top 10 are all pitchers. If you do the search with a minimum of 3 PA per game, Lance Berkman and John Buck each had a 8 game hitless streak. Looking at the 3 minimums, it's easy to see what kind of players you get. 1 PA = Pinch Hitters mostly. 2 PA = Starting Pitchers. With 3 PA, Starters aren't consistently getting those PA's and Pinch Hitters aren't around enough, so you get weak hitting spots by regulars.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6128 Fri, 27 Feb 2009 02:06:00 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6128 For what it's worth, gerry, I didn't take it as a personal criticism--I took it as what it was--a suggestion that I didn't represent the search very well with my description, about which you are correct.

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By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6127 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 22:13:43 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6127 "Bogus" was a poor choice of words on my part. It wasn't my intention to be critical of Andy for posting the lists, which I enjoyed seeing.

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By: tomepp http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6123 Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:52:42 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6123 I think that kingturtle's comment wasn't about whether or not games with walks were counted in the steak, but rather he was looking for a list where a game with a walk or HBP would snap the streak - in other words, instead a list of hitless streaks, he'd like to see a list of "on-base-less" streaks. That is, number of consecutive games in which the player made no offensive contribution to his team (after all, a walk or HBP still has a positive offensive value.)

On another note, I don't consider the lists "bogus" just because they are mostly of pinch hitters, the lists just yield different information. I, too, like to see a list of hitless (and/or on-base-less) streaks among "regulars", but instead of AB > 2, I would suggest a criteria based on either PA > 3 or counting only games the player started.

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By: NickH44 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6118 Wed, 25 Feb 2009 00:44:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6118 Or change it to consecutive hitless games, minimum three AB.

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By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6117 Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:37:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6117 I agree, gerry--if the PI had a way to search for that, I'd do it.

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By: gerry http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6116 Tue, 24 Feb 2009 23:34:57 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6116 A consecutive game hitting streak doesn't end if the hitter gets no at-bats in a game - if, say, he walks every time up. The game just doesn't count toward the streak. I think.

Similarly, a hitless game shouldn't count toward a non-hitting streak if the batter didn't get an at-bat.

Anyway, there's something bogus about these lists. None of these players got more than 2 AB per game, indeed, many of them were closer to (in some cases, below!) 1 AB per game. So we're talking about a bunch of, what, pinchhitters? late-inning defensive replacements?

I'd rather see a list of leaders in consecutive at-bats without a hit. Bergmann's 40 stands out in the lists above, but a regular batter could top that by going 0-for-3, 0-for-4 for a couple of weeks.

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By: kingturtle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1170/comment-page-1#comment-6114 Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:09:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1170#comment-6114 how about non-onbase consecutive game streaks (no hits, HBP, BBs) for non-pitchers?

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