Comments on: Batting Around Before Getting Out http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118692 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 04:02:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118692 @28

oops. Wrong button.

... scorer gave a single to Travis Fryman rather than a fielder's choice!

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118691 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 04:00:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118691 @25
Double, I did misunderstand your wording.

Much food for thought in your post.

I'm not sure how the official

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By: Bill Tuck http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118690 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 03:56:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118690 One game I would like to see the complete play by play occurred in 1941 between the Tigers and Indians. Al Benton had two sacrifice hits in one inning, which Detroit scored 11 runs. I have noticed that in record books all my life. Once I saw the box score, which showed that Benton scored a run. The final score was 11-2.
There are several situations which a batter can have a sacrifice hit without an out being recorded. One is the defense tries unsuccessfully to throw out a lead runner. Another is for an error to be committed.

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By: statboy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118681 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 03:29:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118681 @25,

If a batter hits the ball and another runner is forced out, the batter doesn't get credit for a hit, no matter how far he hit the ball.

As for this... "Single to RF; Fryman out at 2B/RF-SS", Fryman must have been thrown out AFTER he touched 2nd base. He probably rounded the base and then got thrown out while trying to get back. Since he reached 2nd base safely (albeit briefly), the batter gets a hit.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118660 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 02:24:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118660 @5 I mentioned all three of them in my account of this inning. Maybe I didn't state it the way I should have to have made it more understandable. It was the players in the game who were named for their fathers, not their fathers who were named for their fathers before them (although since the two Griffeys are both named George Kenneth, I've wondered if Senior's father/Junior's grandfather was/is also named George, even if with a middle name other than Kenneth).

As for "the quality of opposition pitching", Tom Glavine pitched that whole inning. Since it was the top of the first, AL starter Brown had not even taken the mound yet when the 9th spot in the order came up.

I just noticed that the AL had another 4-run inning later in that same game, in the sixth against Bob Tewksbury. This one was more typical of a 4-run inning:

Double
Groundout
Groundout
Double scoring the guy who had doubled earlier
Another double, scoring the second guy who had doubled
Home run
Walk

At this point, Tewksbury, who was notable at some point in his career for having given up very few unintentional walks, was replaced by Glavine's long-time Braves teammate, John Smoltz. The play description for this one doesn't seem to make sense.

Travis Fryman, the guy who had walked, was on first base. Paul Molitor was the batter. Here is what it says:

"Single to RF; Fryman out at 2B/RF-SS"

It seems to me that if the runner who had been at first is thrown out at second, that is a fielders choice, not a single, even if the ball was hit out of the infield and fielded by an outfielder.

So many times, as you listen to the play-by-play of a game, especially one on the radio (or, now, audio streaming online), you'll hear the announcer say, "Base hit to right field," when a ball bounces before an outfielder can get to it or was hit on the ground past the infielders. But every so often, the outfielder is able to throw out either the batter at first or a runner advancing to the next base.

I wonder if this is only considered to be an out when it's the batter itself who was thrown out, rather than a runner who didn't even advance one base. (I know that it's a hit when a runner who had been on second is thrown out at the plate or a runner who had been on first is thrown out at third.)

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118652 Tue, 07 Jun 2011 01:42:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118652 @23
JA, what?

Being compared to Tim McCarver as an analyst is an insult? 🙂

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118560 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 17:05:46 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118560 @21, Statboy -- You really know how to hurt a guy, eh?

Well, at least I've never observed that, "Ironically, speed slows down the game!"

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By: Owen23 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118556 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:56:09 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118556 From the Yankees-Indians game, Bob Kammeyer came in for NY and took a beating. One year later he had his final MLB app (also against the Tribe), faced 8 batters and failed to get any out.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CLE/CLE197909180.shtml

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By: statboy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118541 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 16:02:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118541 "I have long considered the home run to be a sort of rally killer -- especially in the 9th inning."

Tim McCarver has said that more than a few times.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11527/comment-page-1#comment-118505 Mon, 06 Jun 2011 14:07:59 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11527#comment-118505 @18, Dave -- You'd never guess it from the way his game is generally described, but Jackie Robinson actually batted 4th in a majority of his games. He was the regular cleanup hitter from 1949 (his MVP year) to '51, and in 1953. His career line in the #4 spot: .329 BA, .426 OBP, .514 SLG.

He almost never hit leadoff; Reese had that spot locked down before Jackie came along.

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