Comments on: The 2011 Mets and the Longest Team Homerless Streaks http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117658 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 01:06:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117658 @28
JA, you must have a photographic memory to recreate the at bats so vividly.

The upshot of the Mets' Wednesday night defensive 7th inning is Venus aligned with Mars, Saturn aligned with Jupiter, the Mets were the victim of a bad call on Chris Snyder's ball in play and presto, five infield hits.

Based on your descriptions, I agree that the official scorer wasn't negligent in not assigning errors. On a defensive mental gaffe, one cannot assume an out when scoring.

But what are the chances of an inning like that ever unfolding again? Bleeders, bloops, bad defensive decisions .......

There isn't any curse on the Mets organization that we know of, is there? 🙂

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By: Todd http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117653 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 00:37:10 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117653 Interesting that over the current homerless streak, the Mets have hit .307 as a team, while the highest batting average for any of the other streaks was .261.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117641 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 21:52:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117641 @20, Neil -- I'll recap those infield hits as best I can. (I had to avert my eyes at some moments.)

1. Andrew McCutchen (RHB) hit a cue shot to the right side with heavy english. 1B Dan'l Murphy, playing one of the many positions he plays poorly, ranged too far to his right; it would have been pretty easy play for the 2B if Murphy had stayed home, but he poached it, so the pitcher had to cover, and I think Murph may have juggled it a moment, and the timing was off, and McCutchen wound up safe. Legit hit by today's scoring standards, but a mental error by Murphy.

(BTW, this was McCutchen's 2nd IF hit of the game. In the 1st inning he hit a high-arcing one-hopper to 3B Willie Harris, who apparently didn't realize McCutchen's speed; Harris waited for the ball, and since he doesn't have a cannon arm, it was too late.)

2. Neil Walker surprised everyone by dropping a good bunt towards 3B; no play was made, and Walker is now 4 for 5 on bunts for his career (plus 2 sacrifices).

3. Matt Diaz took a mighty cut and dribbled one towards the no-man's-land between the mound and 3B. Capuano usually fields his position well, but this was do-or-die and he didn't pick it up cleanly. Bases loaded.

4. Chris Snyder hit a grounder to the SS hole. With no chance to turn 2, SS Ruben Tejada made a smart play and threw to 3B. Harris was in position and did have his foot on a corner of the bag when he took the throw in time for the out, but for some reason he also tried to make a tag play, and it seemed to convince the ump that he was off the bag (he wasn't) -- and since the tag was late, the ump called safe. Official scorer gave Snyder a benefit of the doubt; Snyder is a RHB catcher and plenty slow, and I think Tejada would have got him at 1B.

So that's 4 straight infield hits to start the inning, cutting a 2-0 lead in half. Then Overbay lined one to CF that tied the score and sent Capuano to the showers. Then a strikeout for out #1. Then Xavier Paul lines another hit into RF that Beltran almost played into a triple; he awkwardly short-hopped it and the ball shot way up in the air, but stayed close enough to Carlos to keep the runners from advancing more. Pirates up 3-2, bags still loaded, 1 out.

And then came the most brutal misplay of an inning that had no official errors. Speedster Jose Tabata hit a medium-pace grounder straight at 3B Harris, who was playing even with the bag. With no chance to turn two, Harris should have thrown home for the easy forceout. But he was probably trying to atone for his first boo-boo, so he tried to make the great play instead of the routine one, and while he got the out at 2nd, the relay wasn't close and a 4th run scored.

5. The next batter, Josh Harrison, hit a grounder into the SS hole that Tejada backhanded but had to eat. With perfect symmetry, the 5th infield hit scored the 5th run of the inning and brought up McCutchen, the man who started it all. He whiffed ... but the Bucs scored 4 more in the next inning, which started with a walk, a double by the lifetime .171-hitting Brandon Wood, and a HBP. The next reliever allowed single-walk-single, and the rout was officially on.

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117634 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 20:58:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117634 I think we should take the #5 streak (09/1969 thru 04/1970) with a grain of salt. They hit some HRs in the World Series which kind of "ruins" the drought.

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By: panrell http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117597 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:57:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117597 @25 Just had to look this up-Taveras has the least hrs [2] of any player with 4000 + pa since 1946. Third is Bud Harrleson and Doug Flynn tied with 7. Sensing a trend here.

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117593 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 16:10:03 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117593 Do not ask me why, but my wife's favorite player growing up was Frank Taveras (Mets version - she refuses to acknowledge his Pirate days).

Frank joined the Mets in 1979 - the trade that sent Tim Foli to the Pirates to "aid" in the Championship run. So Frank's first full season with the Mets was 1980 and I am sure he contributed GREATLY to each of the Mets' top 3 Homerless streaks which all came that year.

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By: panrell http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117581 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:54:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117581 @22. Hey, at least they tied Maris' record of 61 hr. They had 5 pitchers who gave UP as many or more hrs then Mazzilli's 16. The team was out-homered 140-61.

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By: w.k.kortas http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117565 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:26:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117565 @22:

That 1980 Mets team was awful, and nobody wanted to go see them. I remember some friends and I went to Shea for a day game against the Cubs (who didn't exactly set the world on fire that season either). There were so few cars in the Shea parking lot that one of my buddies said "You stupid sonofabitch! You got the start time wrong!" It was a day game, alright, but it was definitely one of those friends-and-family only types of crowd. There couldn't have been more than 3,000 or so in the place.

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By: Kevin B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117555 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 12:50:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117555 Wow, I had to go look at that 1980 Mets team - 61 HR total. The only two players with more than 8 HR were Lee Mazzilli (16) and Claudell Washington (10). Their most regular starters at three positions were homerless: C Alex Trevino, 2b Doug Flynn, and SS Frank Taveras. In fact, it appears that no Mets catcher homered that year! Their manager must have been a real chump. Joe somebody.

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By: ctorg http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11406/comment-page-1#comment-117525 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 05:06:14 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11406#comment-117525 #11 -

I can't do anything about them being a joke of a franchise. I wish I could refute that, but I can't. But I can contribute somewhat to the discussion of whether to say Dan or Daniel, irrelevant though that may be to the ineptitude of the Mets.

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