Comments on: Consecutive Appearances of at Most 1 Inning to Start a Career http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: eorns http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117674 Fri, 03 Jun 2011 03:16:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117674 On a silly note, these are the results of the last 7 games he's pitched in:

L 5-4
L 5-4
W 4-1
W 4-1
W 4-1
W 6-5
W 6-5

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By: Lawrence Azrin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117571 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 14:10:58 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117571 @6/ Fireworks Says: "The mentality of using closers in the current fashion is going to be hard to break and will require a manager that embraces sabermetrics while being heedless to knee-jerk criticism from ignorant fans, media, and management..."

Fireworks, great post! I recall the Red Sox not using one set closer, but rather a "bullpen by committee" shortly after Bill James joined as a consultant (2003?). Of course, they were mercilessly mocked and criticized by most of the local mainstream media, with the focus on James and his supposed "idiotic" strategies. After a couple months, they gave up and installed a conventional closer.

It's really difficult to go against conventional wisdom in any major industry, unless you're really desperate. As you said, it'll probably be tried by a losing team in a small market, with not much to lose.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117515 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:36:12 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117515 Re Rally Kills,

Fangraphs is tracking "Shutdowns" and "Meltdowns." They are not strictly based on numbers of baserunners and the score, but indirectly via WPA. See here: http://www.fangraphs.com/library/index.php/pitching/sd-md/

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117514 Thu, 02 Jun 2011 04:21:44 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117514 @6
Fireworks, a HOF post. 🙂

Much food for thought in your words.

"The mentality of using closers in the current fashion is going to be hard to break and will require a manager that embraces sabermetrics while being heedless to knee-jerk criticism from ignorant fans, media, and management."

Agreed that managers in baseball (and NFL head coaches in football) adopt a herd mentality with respect to strategy. It seems, in baseball, that innovation takes a back seat to cover-your-backside, reflex, pitcher usage.

I am intrigued by your notion of a Rally Kill stat for relief pitchers since it seems to cut across closers/setup men/long relievers.

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By: Jacob http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117446 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 20:59:32 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117446 I'm trying to do the opposite search........i.e. how many consecutive relief appearances of at least 1 IP to start a career and overall, but I'm not having any luck.

Initially I just set IP >=1 and checked the reliever box, but this returns results for players who also made spot starts between relief appearances.

After trying some other methods, I went back to the original search and starting looking through gamelogs, and I think the answer to the "start a career" streak is Tom Ferrick of the 1941 Philadelphia Athletics, with 29. This included both an 8.1 IP relief appearance and a 10 IP, 1 ER appearance. Ferrick's "streak" was broken when he made a start in his 30th career game, giving up 16(!) hits in 8+ innings of work. His 2nd start went a little bit better, a 4-hit shutout.

In terms of the modern era, Hector Ambriz of the 2010 Cleveland Indians started his career with 28 consecutive relief appearances >= 1 IP.

As far as overall streaks go, the streak is much easier. Keith Foulke owns both the #1 and #2 overall streaks (80 and 78 games, respectively). Heath Bell owns the longest active streak with 62.

What does this all mean? I have no idea, other than Play Index is fun!

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117407 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 18:22:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117407 @12, Andy R. -- So far, Pedro Feliciano (92 games last year) is the only situational LHP to pitch 90 games in a season. Given that most teams have one and use him whenever possible, I doubt that there are enough "LOOGY" situations in a season to get to 100+ games.

P.S. Whenever I look at the season games-pitched leaders, I am reminded how underrated Kent Tekulve was. Teke and Marshall are the only pitchers with 3 seasons of 90+ games; Tekulve's last one came in 1987 at age 40, and he was still quite effective (138 ERA+ in 105 relief IP).

Tekulve is tied for the all-time lead with 12 seasons of at least 60 games in relief, and he is right behind HOFer Hoyt Wilhelm with 7 relief seasons of 100+ innings.

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By: Brian http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117400 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:44:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117400 I am surprised more situational LH RP are not on the list

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By: Andy R http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117397 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:22:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117397 It also made me think of my pet record- Mike Marshall's 106 games pitched in 1974. Could a situational lefty beat that record in an era of specialization? Maybe 110 games, 63 IP...

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117396 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:22:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117396 One of the ripple-effects of over-specialization is that with 12 or even 13-man pitching staffs now common, benches are getting awfully thin.

For the AL with a 12-man staff, you've got 4 guys on the bench, one of whom is the backup catcher who will only be used to spell the starting catcher. So, only 3 guys on the bench for pinch-hitting, pinch-running, defensive replacement. etc. To me, that's not enough to give managers enough pieces to work with in a tight game. I, for one, would welcome a return to a 10-man staff being the more normal complement.

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By: Andy R http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11402/comment-page-1#comment-117394 Wed, 01 Jun 2011 17:19:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11402#comment-117394 I used to think I followed baseball pretty closely, but I haven't heard of a lot of these pitchers. Is it the anonymity and "changing of the guard" nature of middle relievers?

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