Comments on: Scoring 14 runs in back-to-back games http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116272 Sat, 28 May 2011 01:05:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116272 @12
JA, thanks for the tip of the cap to the Jays! You are a fair and balanced commentator. No hard feelings.

What a statistical odditiy that Carpenter and Halladay got roughed up so badly at that point in their careers. Ah, don't you love baseball!?!

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By: Biff http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116158 Fri, 27 May 2011 21:01:26 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116158 @13
I remember that it seemed as if the bottom dropped out the 99 Phils after slaughtering the Padres those 2 games.

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By: Beetle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116062 Fri, 27 May 2011 16:43:33 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116062 Awesome! Thanks John!

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116037 Fri, 27 May 2011 15:40:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116037 @9, Beetle -- Here's your answer:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/PHI/PHI199908240.shtml

In 1999, the Phillies beat San Diego 18-2 and 15-1. Among the notables in those 2 box scores: SD reliever Matt Whiteside allowed 9 runs in 1.2 IP in the first game, and 4 runs in 0.1 IP the second game. (Without those 2 games, Whiteside's career ERA for 406 IP would be 1/4 of a run less, from 5.23 to 4.97.)

The '99 Phillies were involved in a LOT of blowouts -- they won 26 games by at least 5 runs, but lost 28. That's 1/3 of their schedule.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116035 Fri, 27 May 2011 15:31:24 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116035 @9 -- The Blue Jays came close in 2000, winning 14-1 @CHW and 16-3 over NYY.

Funny sidebar: Earlier in that 2000 season, Toronto lost consecutive games to the visiting Mariners by 19-7 and 17-6. Toronto's starting pitchers in those 2 games? Roy Halladay and Chris Carpenter. (That was part of a 4-game Toronto streak allowing 11+ runs. Neil L., I swear it's nothing personal!)

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116034 Fri, 27 May 2011 15:25:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116034 @9, Beetle -- I haven't found that streak yet (consecutive games of 14+ runs scored and <= 2 runs allowed).

In 2005, the Mets won consecutive games in Arizona by 14-1 and 18-4; they swept that 4-game series by a combined score of 39-7. (Then they went into SF and scored 1 run in 3 straight games....)

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116026 Fri, 27 May 2011 15:12:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116026 I just noticed this ... In the table's first entry (Texas 2008), the Rangers scored 17 runs in the 2nd game, and lost ... to Boston, in Fenway.

That's the 2nd-highest losing run total in the expansion era, after (of course) the famous 1979 game that ended Phillies 23, Cubs 22.

However, that game went 10 innings. From 1919 on, there have been just 4 games of 9 innings or less in which the loser scored 17+; three of those scored exactly 17, and two of those were in 2008. The Rockies beat Florida, 18-17, on July 4, in Coors Field. There's your fireworks show right there: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/COL/COL200807040.shtml

For the only (searchable) 9-inning game with more than 17 runs in a losing effort, you have to go all the way back to 1922, another Phils-Cubs game in the Friendly Confines, won by the hosts, 26-23:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/CHN/CHN192208250.shtml

Fun linescore in that one: The Cubs scored in only 4 innings: 1 run in the 1st, 1 in the 6th ... but 10 in the 2nd, and 14 in the 4th. (Now, that's a real football score!) The score was 26-9 after 7 innings, but Philly scored 8 in the 8th and 6 in the 9th to make it interesting. The Phils did not have a home run; the Cubs hit 3.

BTW, Cubs starter Tony Kaufmann was credited with the win in that game, even though he went just 4 innings, allowing 6 runs (3 ER). I'm not sure if the 5-inning requirement hadn't been set in stone yet in 1922, or if there's a loophole that allows the official scorer to award the win to the SP with less than 5 IP if no other pitcher "pitched effectively." And you could argue that was the case here.

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By: Beetle http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-116009 Fri, 27 May 2011 13:13:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-116009 I am wondering when was the last time a team scored 14+ runs in 2 consecutive games while giving up 2 runs or less in both game.

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By: Nash Bruce http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-115978 Fri, 27 May 2011 09:51:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-115978 *(or even average)........sorry:)

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By: Nash Bruce http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11258/comment-page-1#comment-115977 Fri, 27 May 2011 09:17:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11258#comment-115977 re: 1993 Detroit Tigers: Wow, I'd forgotten....would it be reaching, to say that they 'were sabermetric, before sabermetrics were mainstream'? Their (as JT put it) "mish-mash of washed up and flawed players" put up 20 runs twice(!!) in the first ten games, of the season. By game 17, they'd added 17, 16, and 12 run onslaughts(this does not include, the 14+ runs, 3 games in a row, in the aforementioned BAL series). They were 2.5 games up, on June 20th.....and proceeded to lose 13 of 14, dead. Yet, on August 28th, they were only 4 games out of first. This, despite, David Wells leading the starters with an 103 ERA+ and, for that matter, Mike Moore finishing second in the AL in shutouts.....yet STILL posting an 82 ERA+.
It is almost as if, somebody just made this team up, as a joke, to play with numbers. But, if Bill Gullickson, has anything close to one of his better (or even an average) seasons, then they had a shot to win the AL East.......(let alone Moore, but I guess at that point, he was one of those 'washed up players', lol)
Good fun.

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