Comments on: Comparison between tonight’s Cubs-Red Sox game and the 1918 World Series http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Andy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114783 Sun, 22 May 2011 23:59:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114783 Yeah, we remember your posts from last year that Jim Joyce and other umpires should be murdered.

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By: Cabriel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114781 Sun, 22 May 2011 23:44:11 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114781 I don't even care about the Cubs. I am just saying that spoilers like Bartman and Jim Joyce should receive their eternal rewards.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114750 Sun, 22 May 2011 21:19:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114750 @9
Cabriel, don't wish anyone the loss of their life, not even even Steve Bartman.

My original post was tongue-in-cheek. I'm not even a Cubs' fan.

What about the 1996 Yankees' post-season with the 12-year old kid becoming a NY celebrity?

He became a hero, was feted on the New York talk show circuit and generally regarded positively. He influenced a game as much as Bartman but with impunity. I realize the outcome was different for the home team

Was it the baggage of Cubs' fans that lead them to react so strongly to Bartman?

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By: rico petrocelli http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114642 Sun, 22 May 2011 11:05:02 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114642 8 runs in the 8th for the cubs last night?

wasn't that the exact tally in the same inning for the bartman game?

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By: Cabriel http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114624 Sun, 22 May 2011 07:15:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114624 The very fact that Bartman is still alive is a shame on baseball and a mockery in Cubs.

If he were a man, he would have blown his brains off on 2003.

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114564 Sat, 21 May 2011 23:27:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114564 Isn't this the day that the world is supposed to end? The Cubs winning may bring that on by itself, without any divine intervention.

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By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114553 Sat, 21 May 2011 22:04:37 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114553 @6
Trinca, dig the "greater than" symbol. Better than any emoticon in here. Statnerds love math.

We'll see tonight who's greater. I give the Cubs a good chance.

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By: Trinca Alex http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114504 Sat, 21 May 2011 19:05:19 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114504 Cubs > Red Sox ! 🙂

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114466 Sat, 21 May 2011 15:25:29 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114466 And speaking of rookie miscues ... During last night's Mets-Yankees broadcast, Keith Hernandez told a story I hadn't heard about Nick Swisher's father, Steve, who had a 9-year career as a big-league catcher.

On the final day of the 1974 season, Steve Swisher's last-place Cubs were playing the first-place Pirates, who led the Cardinals by 1 game. (Hernandez had been a late-season call-up for the Cards.) Pittsburgh trailed the Cubs by a run with 2 out in the 9th inning; a loss would have created a chance for the Cards, who had been rained out in Montreal, to force a playoff if they could win their makeup game. Rick Reuschel got Bob Robertson to swing and miss for strike 3 -- but the ball got away from Swisher, the tying run scored from 3rd, and the Pirates won in the 10th to clinch the division.

As Keith Hernandez told the story, Swisher would always be remembered for that misplay. But that probably reflects Keith's own rooting interest; I had never heard of the game.

It's also worth noting that, as usual, Swisher's passed ball was hardly the only factor in the Cards missing the playoffs:

-- Reuschel, with a 2-run lead, opened the 9th by walking Richie Zisk and -- believe it or not -- Manny Sanguillen, the latter collecting just his 21st walk of the year in over 600 PAs. Both walks came around to score. ("O,TBOB!")
-- The Cards had a chance to forge a 1st-place tie the day before, holding a 2-1 lead with 2 out and none on in the 8th in Parc Jarry. But Willie Davis singled, and Mike Jorgensen homered -- both off starter Bob Gibson -- and Les Expos went on to win.
-- St. Louis held a 2.5-game lead with 14 to play, but they dropped 4 out of 5 to Pittsburgh and went 6-7 overall.
-- Even if the Pirates had lost, the Cardinals still would have had to (a) win a makeup game in Montreal and (b) beat the Pirates in a playoff. Pittsburgh had already won the coin toss for home-field advantage, and to most observers, they were the better team.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/11176/comment-page-1#comment-114462 Sat, 21 May 2011 14:37:55 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=11176#comment-114462 Speaking of a Fred Merkle connection....
I just noticed that Merkle played on 3 different teams that lost the World Series to the Red Sox: the 1912 Giants, the 1916 Robins (Brooklyn) and the 1918 Cubs.

In the deciding 8th game of the 1912 Series, Merkle might have been the hero. He singled home the go-ahead run in the top of the 10th inning off Smoky Joe Wood. But in the bottom half came the other famous misplay of that era -- CF Fred Snodgrass dropped an easy fly ball from the leadoff hitter -- and the Red Sox went on to score twice off Mathewson to win the Series.

Poor Fred Merkle! It wasn't enough to be saddled for the rest of his life with the name "Bonehead" for a fairly innocent mistake he made as a 19-year-old; the baseball fates had to further taunt him with 5 World Series losses in as many tries.

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