Comments on: Baseball StatHead: May 4, 2011 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Neil L. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110859 Fri, 06 May 2011 21:59:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110859 @18
Doug, slam dunk! Nice closing argument! End of discussion.

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By: Doug B http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110839 Fri, 06 May 2011 20:09:27 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110839 Tony Gwynn Jr. vs. Juan Pierre. Who would you take for 2011? Pierre is probably still the better hitter while Gwynn Jr. is a better fielder. I'd say it's close.

Now consider Pierre makes MORE than 10 TIMES as much money and you'll see why any GM worth his salt would trade Pierre for just about anything. Apparently even for 2 horrible 25 year old pitchers like the Dodgers got.

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By: Timmy P http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110829 Fri, 06 May 2011 19:44:49 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110829 @15 Putting the ball in play, stealing bases, 200 hit seasons, those things all produce runs. Rickey weeks sucks, but because he hits a few dingers stat nerds forgive him.

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By: Johnny Twisto http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110788 Fri, 06 May 2011 17:27:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110788 Timmy, you've posted 8 times in this thread and I don't have a clue what your point is. Are you saying Juan Pierre is a Jedi?

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By: Neil Paine http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110777 Fri, 06 May 2011 16:24:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110777 Unfortunately, the aim of offensive baseball is not to avoid striking out, or even to compile a good batting average. It's to create runs, and Pierre has historically been below-average when it comes to doing that, even when you factor in his baserunning.

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By: Timmy P http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110776 Fri, 06 May 2011 16:15:45 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110776 What a joke! Juan has an average arm, but since he is a lefty that is to be expected. Lefty hitters hit better and lefty fielders throw worse because of the Coriolis force.

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By: Timmy P http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110775 Fri, 06 May 2011 16:09:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110775 @12 That is flat out wrong. His last 2 years with LA they had Kemp, Ethier, and Manny and no where to put Juan. Did he bitch piss or moan? No. Manny gets busted for juicing and Pierre steps in and had a great year. That stint with the Dodgers cost him about 150 hits. Last year he had a terrible first 50 games, but came back and batted .275 with a career high 68 steals. That is what sparked my original question about getting thrown out 8 straight, could he be losing it? A lot of you Star Wars fans are so into home runs and WAR that your minds are numb to good ball players that hit singles and steal bases. Most of you guys are huge Mark Reynolds fans. Did any of you Rickey Weeks fans happen to notice that Juan has only struck out 397 times in 11 years? That is excellent, esp. for this day and age.
Jeter 1112 K's
Crawford 789 K's
Figgins 740 K's
Victorino 373 k's in 820 games, not bad for today , but twice as many as
Juan per game

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By: Neil Paine http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110740 Fri, 06 May 2011 13:52:18 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110740 Playing up to his usual high standards? I'd say Juan Pierre hasn't been an especially useful player in about 5 years now (although I suppose you could call his 2009 season decent). Even at his best, he was highly overrated because of his gaudy -- but largely empty -- batting averages and steal totals. And as Doug wrote in #9, now he's 33 years old with declining speed skills, no pop, and bad defense. He's flirted with the replacement level before and rebounded to at least be marginally valuable, but I don't know if he has anything left in the tank at this point.

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By: Timmy P http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110455 Thu, 05 May 2011 20:07:40 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110455 Please don't freak out on me, I saw that Damon and Ichiro have both won one SB title apiece. I meant to say multiple SB titles, Crawford and Pierre have them. Sorry, please put down your light sabers.

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By: Timmy P http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10970/comment-page-1#comment-110451 Thu, 05 May 2011 19:59:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10970#comment-110451 Crawford has won a SB title, but none of the other 3 have, plus you're making my point for me. Those 4 players are great players and at least 2, maybe all 4 will end up in the hall. I don't think anyone can deny that Juan is not playing up to the high standards he usually plays. Are there dozens of AAA players out there that can hit .300 and rack up 1900 hits in 11 years? True his legs keep him in the game, hence my asking the question in the first place. 5 outfield errors are a lot for 31 days of play. I might blame Ozzie for the CS problem, but not the errors. Also, I am going to assume that the Chicago White Sox own a stop watch, and that they might be interested in testing a someone they pay millions of dollars to to steal bases and run down pop flies. Assuming they checked, and say Juan is a little slower this year, why keep sending him? If he's injured, why not bat him 8th or 9th?

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