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2+ Seasons Of 180+ Hits With OPS+ Less Than 100

Posted by Steve Lombardi on March 29, 2011

How many players since 1901 have had two or more seasons with 180+ hits while fashioning an OPS+ under 100?

Here's the list:

Rk   Yrs From To Age  
1 Doc Cramer 7 1933 1943 27-37 Ind. Seasons
2 Juan Pierre 5 2001 2007 23-29 Ind. Seasons
3 Orlando Cabrera 3 2007 2009 32-34 Ind. Seasons
4 Felix Millan 3 1970 1975 26-31 Ind. Seasons
5 Nellie Fox 3 1952 1958 24-30 Ind. Seasons
6 Sparky Adams 3 1925 1927 30-32 Ind. Seasons
7 Mike Young 2 2003 2008 26-31 Ind. Seasons
8 Jimmy Rollins 2 2001 2005 22-26 Ind. Seasons
9 Neifi Perez 2 1999 2000 26-27 Ind. Seasons
10 Eric Young 2 1996 2000 29-33 Ind. Seasons
11 Damaso Garcia 2 1982 1984 25-27 Ind. Seasons
12 Dave Cash 2 1976 1977 28-29 Ind. Seasons
13 Larry Bowa 2 1974 1978 28-32 Ind. Seasons
14 Dick Groat 2 1962 1964 31-33 Ind. Seasons
15 Bill Knickerbocker 2 1934 1936 22-24 Ind. Seasons
16 Dick Bartell 2 1929 1934 21-26 Ind. Seasons
17 Fresco Thompson 2 1928 1929 26-27 Ind. Seasons
18 Taylor Douthit 2 1928 1930 27-29 Ind. Seasons
19 Hughie Critz 2 1928 1932 27-31 Ind. Seasons
20 George Sisler 2 1924 1929 31-36 Ind. Seasons
21 Joe Dugan 2 1923 1924 26-27 Ind. Seasons
22 Rabbit Maranville 2 1921 1922 29-30 Ind. Seasons
23 Jimmy Johnston 2 1920 1922 30-32 Ind. Seasons
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Generated 3/29/2011.

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No truth to the rumor that this is why Doc Cramer has a street...uh, I mean...boulevard...named after him.

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23 Responses to “2+ Seasons Of 180+ Hits With OPS+ Less Than 100”

  1. I love Dave Cash.

    Made this list for 2 teams Phils and Expos.

    from 1974 through 1977 he averaged 199 hits and 98 OPS+. He did beat out his Keystone Combo mate Larry Bowa (also on this list) in OPS+ just about every year.

  2. I love seeing a headline and knowing who is going to be somewhere on the list... first thought was Juan Pierre

  3. I knew Jimmy Rollins was going to be on this list.

  4. A lot of players from the '20s/'30s and '90s/'00s. Higher offensive periods, meaning even players putting up historically very good numbers might fall below 100 compared to the competition.

  5. I'm a bit surprised about Michael Young being on this list.

    While I didn't immediately think of Jimmy Rollins, his inclusion makes sense, as I believe his on-base percentage has usually been fairly low.

  6. Slightly surprised Ichiro is not here. His numbers are a bit better but still quite similar to Mike Young's.

    Ichiro did come close a couple of times with 102 and 106 OPS+.

  7. Juan Pierre was one hit short of having his sixth season last year.

  8. Doc Cramer...over 2700 hits but a career WAR of 5.4 (8.8 offensive, -3.4 defensive). Takes a special talent to do something like that!

  9. dukeofflatbush Says:

    @Ed,

    That HAS to be the record. Averaging less than .002 Wins per hit.
    I wonder who has the most productive hits.
    I'll guess Gehrig.

  10. dukeofflatbush Says:

    Juan Pierre has three seasons of > 200 hits, with < 100 OPS+.

  11. Richard Chester Says:

    As of 2006 Juan Pierre held the seasonal record for the lowest BA for a player with more than 200 hits, .292 in 2006.
    Doc Cramer had a streak of 2663 AB without a HR, eighth longest in ML.

  12. dukeofflatbush Says:

    @ Rick Chest
    Pierre is also a click off the lowest BA for 220 hits. His 221 hits 2004 rank near or at the bottom in nearly every category, both % and accumulative.

    I still think Pierre has more value than most people give him credit for.

  13. Pierre missed adding to this list by 1 hit last year.

  14. John Autin Says:

    Has anyone gone from being often mentioned as "one of the most underrated players" to being tacitly acknowledged as one of the most overrated, more quickly than Michael Young, with so little change in his actual performance?

  15. So, why does Doc Cramer have a boulevard named after him?

  16. Felix Milan and Lance Johnson immediately came to mind. I was half right.

  17. @12 Juan Pierre scored 90 plus run 7 times in his career.Since scoring runs is the object of the game, I would say he has been valuable to his team.

  18. You'll all notice Pierre made an effort to get on base other ways than slap singles last year with his 21 HBP. Who needs walks when you can Biggio your way on to first?

  19. John Autin Says:

    @17 -- A raw count of Pierre's runs scored means little without any context.

    Let's put his 2010 season into context:
    -- The average AL leadoff spot produced 99 Runs and 54 RBI.
    -- The White Sox, with Pierre leading off all but 6 games, got 97 Runs and 48 RBI -- slightly below average, even their overall R/G was about 4% above average.

    So where's the offensive value?

    The same analysis for his other seasons often leads to same conclusion.

    Taking another angle and focusing only on Runs....
    2010 was the first time in his career that Pierre cracked the top 10 in runs scored in his league; he was tied for 10th.

    Is that good value from a slap-hitting leadoff man?

    For the years 2001-07 -- the prime of his career -- Pierre was 3rd among all hitters in total PAs (averaging 716 PA per year), 2nd in total outs made ... but 14th in Runs.

    When you examine Pierre's raw numbers in the context of what other leadoff men do, then factor in the cost to his teams of all the outs he's made, he has clearly been a below-average leadoff man.

  20. stan cook Says:

    Re: the above (#19). I have wondered about Pete Rose's career run totals. First in plate appearances by a huge margin and mostly batting leadoff in front of good hitters. Yet only 6th in run scored. A run for approximately every 7.5 PAs.

  21. Gerry - Cramer died in Manahawkin, New Jersey at 85 years of age. There is a street there named in his honor (Doc Cramer Blvd.). There was also formerly a youth baseball tournament, the Doc Cramer Invitational Baseball Tournament, held in Manahawkin every July.

  22. Johnny Twisto Says:

    wonder who has the most productive hits. I'll guess Gehrig.

    Interesting question. With substantial playing time, the leader, unsurprisingly, is Babe Ruth, with 0.060 WAR per hit. Gehrig had .044. With a minimum of 3000 PA, 13 players have had at least .040 WAR per hit (the others are Bonds, Mays, Hornsby, T. Williams, Mantle, Schmidt, Morgan, Mathews, Pujols, J. Robinson, Tenace).

  23. @21, thanks. If I make it to 85, I'll have to move to Manahawkin, maybe they'll name a street after me, too.