Comments on: Bloops: The Greatest Pitcher You’ve Never Heard Of http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: brett kiser http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102493 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:38:35 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102493 This was an interesting piece, but it's flawed. I've done some research on ballplayers who served in various wars and Donaldson was a World War I veteran. The article claims that the Negro Leagues wasn't firmly established until 1920, which is inaccurate. There were many star Negro League players before the war in the New York area while Donaldson pitched for Wilkinson's All-Nations team--a squad that hardly ever played anyone of even low minor league caliber.

Of course, we'll never know just how great of a pitcher Donaldson was since he stood amateurs on their heads and didn't play much against the black stars of his time. Negro League executives, when discussing star pitchers of the World War I era, never mention Donaldson because the All-Nations team was looked upon as of far inferior quality. Cum Posey, the legendary Negro League executive, lauded the merits of Smokey Joe Williams and Cannonball Dick Redding (who I feel should be in the Hall of Fame), two picthers who pitched against talent.

This was a fun piece to read, but the merits of Donaldson are exaggerated. However, hero worship is fine and dandy. Cannonball Redding is credited with 30 no-hitters against all levels of competition and I firmly believe, since he played against teams of higher quality, that he should get a Hall of Fame nod before Donaldson. That committee which elected close to 20 former Negro Leaguers surely left Donaldson off their list because of the stigma the All-Nations squad had for playing sawmill and mining league teams. How would Christy Mathewson have performed had he pitched against nothing but amateurs?

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By: Justin Bailey http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102489 Wed, 30 Mar 2011 03:16:15 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102489 Very nice article, thank you for the link.

The racism on display in some of the comments to the article is just astounding too.

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By: Anon http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102429 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 22:23:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102429 Great article!

Amazing that if the White SOx had listened to him in 1950, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron AND Ernie Banks might have all been White Sox through the 50's and 60's. Think about that for a second. . . .

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By: Dave V. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102415 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:52:01 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102415 Thanks for posting this, as that is indeed a terrific article and history lesson.

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By: Zachary http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102401 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 20:13:16 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102401 Marvelous piece! I'd never heard of Donaldson, and yet the least of his accomplishments was naming the mighty Monarchs. Truly remarkable that someone who honestly didn't live that long ago could require such a thorough digging job.

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By: Larry R. http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102396 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:44:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102396 Not to be confused with the other John Donaldson of my youth. .238/.313/.295 over 405 games for the KC/Oakland A's. He was best left unheard of.

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By: Tmckelv http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102395 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:39:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102395 Great piece. Thanks for including it here.

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By: Sghost http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102391 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 19:21:38 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102391 There was a similar player named Will Jackman, whose career is probably even less well-documented than Donaldsons.

It is not inconceivable that there were others like them (great black players who spent most of their careers outside the Negro Leages) but I don't know of any others...

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By: andy kerestesy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10449/comment-page-1#comment-102379 Tue, 29 Mar 2011 18:38:54 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10449#comment-102379 John Donaldson

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