Comments on: Nontraditional Batters http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1042 This and that about baseball stats. Fri, 11 Nov 2011 16:57:02 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: whiz http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1042/comment-page-1#comment-5978 whiz Wed, 28 Jan 2009 20:02:47 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1042#comment-5978 Regarding the clean-up hitters with many non-HR games, in many cases they were still the best slugger on the team (sadly), or at least they were first or tied for first for HR on their team: Torre, Murcer, Morneau, Santo, Bonilla in '89. Torre had a monster year in '71 and was MVP. For the other cases, Johnson was first on his team in OPS, and the others were second in OPS on their team that year. In Luzinski's case he lead the team in 2B by far. Regarding the clean-up hitters with many non-HR games, in many cases they were still the best slugger on the team (sadly), or at least they were first or tied for first for HR on their team: Torre, Murcer, Morneau, Santo, Bonilla in '89. Torre had a monster year in '71 and was MVP.

For the other cases, Johnson was first on his team in OPS, and the others were second in OPS on their team that year. In Luzinski's case he lead the team in 2B by far.

]]> By: Jgeller http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1042/comment-page-1#comment-5963 Jgeller Wed, 28 Jan 2009 14:31:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1042#comment-5963 How about them Rays this past season, Iwamura led off with 143 games without a steal. Meanwhile they had 3 20+ SB guys in their lineup at other spots. How about them Rays this past season, Iwamura led off with 143 games without a steal. Meanwhile they had 3 20+ SB guys in their lineup at other spots.

]]> By: TheGoof http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1042/comment-page-1#comment-5957 TheGoof Tue, 27 Jan 2009 23:38:34 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1042#comment-5957 Obviously, you can win with the "untraditional" player. Rose (leadoff) and Yaz (third spot) top their lists with their 1975 performances, when both took their teams to the World Series. And Brett, Brock and Bonilla also took their teams to the postseason in years on that list. Of course, there are plenty of examples of untraditional lineups that faltered... Obviously, you can win with the "untraditional" player. Rose (leadoff) and Yaz (third spot) top their lists with their 1975 performances, when both took their teams to the World Series. And Brett, Brock and Bonilla also took their teams to the postseason in years on that list. Of course, there are plenty of examples of untraditional lineups that faltered...

]]> By: bravesfan513 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/1042/comment-page-1#comment-5943 bravesfan513 Tue, 27 Jan 2009 13:19:32 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/sotd/?p=1042#comment-5943 Interesting thing I found out while playing with batting orders. Cesar Izturis set an NL record last year (since 1956 anyway) with 87 games batting ninth in the order. That crazy Tony LaRussa... That list has a lot of pinch hitters and relief pitchers in it. If you switch it to just starters batting 9th, Izturis leads by a lot, with 81. Jason Kendall is second with 46, which he did last year with the Brewers. Then you have Phil Niekro and other pitchers who started a lot of games. If you switch it to non-pitchers, you basically have Izturis, Kendall, and a bunch of other people who played for Tony LaRussa in 1997, 1998, and 2008. Jack Wilson started and hit 9th 25 times for the Pirates last year...I didn't know that. Interesting thing I found out while playing with batting orders. Cesar Izturis set an NL record last year (since 1956 anyway) with 87 games batting ninth in the order. That crazy Tony LaRussa...

That list has a lot of pinch hitters and relief pitchers in it. If you switch it to just starters batting 9th, Izturis leads by a lot, with 81. Jason Kendall is second with 46, which he did last year with the Brewers. Then you have Phil Niekro and other pitchers who started a lot of games.

If you switch it to non-pitchers, you basically have Izturis, Kendall, and a bunch of other people who played for Tony LaRussa in 1997, 1998, and 2008. Jack Wilson started and hit 9th 25 times for the Pirates last year...I didn't know that.

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