Comments on: Batter Games With RE24 = 6+ Since 1973 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128 This and that about baseball stats. Tue, 16 Jul 2013 17:01:55 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.6 By: Basmati http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97420 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 19:07:04 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97420 Garret Anderson has announced his retirement today. He appears twice on this list, including at #9 for his 10 RBI performance against the Yankees in 2007.

As an Angels fan new to baseball at the time, I remember him fondly for his contributions to the 2002 WS winning team and for several years he was one of the most consistent players around. But he was never an elite player and finishes his career with an OPS+ of 102.

He is the Angels franchise all time leader in runs, hits, total bases, doubles, RBI, extra base hits, times on base. Interestingly though he doesn't feature particularly high in any advanced stats like WAR, runs created, WPA, etc.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97415 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:53:39 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97415 P.S. on Greenwell's game:

1. It was the only time in the game-searchable era (1920-present) that a player with 9+ RBI drove in all of his team's runs.

2. It was the first 9-RBI game by a #8 or #9 hitter in the DH era. (Two #8 hitters have matched it since: Bill Mueller with the BoSox in 2003, with 3 HRs, and James Loney of the Dodgers in 2006, with 2 HRs and a double.)

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97413 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:47:05 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97413 Albert7 -- Nice point on the Greenwell game.

And what an unexpected game it was, coming in the final month of Greenwell's career. Batting 8th, Greenwell started Boston's comeback from a 5-0 deficit with a 2-run HR in the 5th. In the 7th, his grand slam put them ahead, 6-5. After Seattle went back in front with 3 runs in the bottom half, Greenwell tied it up with a 2-out, 2-run double in the 8th. And in the 10th, his 2-out single drove in the winning run.

Incidentally, all 4 of Greenwell's RBI hits followed a walk to the preceding batter, and 6 of the 7 baserunners he drove home had reached on a free pass.

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By: John Autin http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97411 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 17:35:50 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97411 Thanks to all and sundry for the Brian Giles correction. I do recall the first Brian Giles from early-'80s Strat-O-Matic sets; it just never occurred to me that he was capable of such a game!

That 5/17/90 game came in his final MLB season (which followed a 3-year absence); with 2 HRs and 7 RBI, that game constituted half his HRs and 64% of his RBI for the year -- not to mention 20% and 14% of his career HR and RBI totals, respectively.

BTW, that Brian Giles was batting 9th in his big game; he was the first #9 hitter in the DH era to record 2+ HRs and 7+ RBI in a game.

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By: Jon S C http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97401 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 15:50:53 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97401 I am always fascinated by a pitcher's hitting ability, so there is one omission. Check out Tony Cloninger's RE24 of 6.7 from 1966:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/SFN/SFN196607030.shtml

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By: bells http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97366 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 07:27:22 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97366 That Brian Giles factoid is maybe the coolest thing I've ever seen on this site.

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By: Albert7 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97361 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 06:37:31 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97361 I believe Mike Greenwell is the only guy on the list who drove in all the runs for his team.

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By: Doug http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97352 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 05:12:56 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97352 @11 and @12.

This was explained in gory detail in one of Bill James' abstracts back in the 80s. The run estimates Ralphy mentions are derived from a model developed based on "Markov chain analysis" (mathematicians out there will know what that is).

However, where my recollection differs is that the oriiginal model predicted future runs in an inning based an outs/on-base scenarios, not the expected runs to be produced from the next batter's contribution. So, am not sure how the original work has been adapted to come up with RE24.

In some sense RE24 may be a bit unfair to the batter owing to circumstances quite beyond his control. For example, suppose it's early in the game and there are runners on 2nd and 3rd with two outs. The run expectancy for that situation is whatever it is. Except that, if the next batter is the number 8 hitter with the pitcher following, most likely that batter will be walked with no opportunity to contribute, and will end up with a negative RE24 on that plate appearance (I'm presuming). Like I say, seems a bit unfair to me.

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By: Raphy http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97341 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 03:21:25 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97341 Its under Win Probability Added:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/wpa.shtml

Run Expectancy

"Run Expectancy

"...Taking a step back from wins to runs. Just like we can estimate the probability of average teams winning a game in a situation, we can estimate how many runs an average team is likely to score in a given base-out situation (say one out and runners on the corners, 1.186 runs). And then add the actual runs scored on a play to the estimate of runs still to be scores (2 + .9420 in the case above). This change (2.942 - 1.186 = 1.755) is run expectancy is RE24 (run expectancy for the 24 base-out situations)...."

"...RE24 Runs Added by 24 base-out situations. Sum of the differences in run expectancies for each play the player is credited with. Can be for a play, game, season, or career. This is denoted in runs and is of a similar scale to other runs-based statistics like linear weights. It is somewhat highly dependent on the context in which a player played. A player with a lot of runners on base ahead of him has more of a chance to create RE24 than a batter who always comes up with the bases empty. It is relative to average, so unlike runs created an average player will have zero RE24. "

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By: DoubleDiamond http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/archives/10128/comment-page-1#comment-97331 Tue, 01 Mar 2011 02:04:41 +0000 http://www.baseball-reference.com/blog/?p=10128#comment-97331 I'm sure I've asked before what RE24 is, but I have forgotten. This time, I tried to find it myself.

First, I went to the page at http://www.baseball-reference.com/about/.

I then chose some promising categories:

Batting Glossary
Miscellaneous Glossary
Play Index Glossary

I didn't find it in any of them.

So, I'm requesting the following:

1. Someone please respond here with either what this means or a link to where this is explained.

2. Someone please put an explanation of RE24 in one of the meaningful categories linked to in the Glossary section of the About Baseball-Reference.com page.

Thanks in advance.

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